Jesus did not die on the cross!

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Here, we present to you the case of resuscitation of Jesus, may peace be on him, after he was put on the cross, from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s perspective.

Jesus did not die on the cross. He was put on the cross, but survived. He was in coma when taken off the cross and was later able to escape as is evidenced from the empty tomb. My two billion Christian brethren and sisters need to find a new religion. May I suggest Islam, as Ahmadiyya Muslim Community understands it. It was an every day case of resuscitation and not the ever otherwise mentioned or witnessed case of resurrection!

If I say Jesus, may peace be on him, died of natural causes, it would appearstrange to many ears, even though when the same is saidabout billions of other humans, it seems but obvious, and is taken for granted.

Sir Francis Bacon, who hasremained extremely influential through his works, especially as philosophical advocate and practitioner of thescientific methodduring thescientific revolution, once advised, “Read not to contradict … but to weigh and consider.” I would invite everyone of Christian background to view the following video and read the materials provided with this premise, please.

Human memory leads to the illusion-of-truth effect, meaning that we are more likely to rate those statements true that we are familiar with, regardless of their veracity. As such familiarity impairs judgment and prevents people from noticing let alone accepting the obvious limitations in their views.

Familiar seems true and unfamiliar, however logical and rational, seems fictional.

In this information age, all the evidence to refute the dogma of Pauline Christianity as opposed to one preached by Jesus, may peace be on him, is hiding in plain sight. Only if one cares to look and find!

Talking about the diversity of the early Christian observations and beliefs, Prof. Bart Ehrman writes, “Some of these groups believed that Christ’s death brought about the salvation of the world; others maintained that Christ’s death had nothing to do with the salvation of this world; yet other groups insisted that Christ had never actually died.” [1]

Watch a BBC Documentary on Jesus in Kashmir

This forty minute documentary by BBC, linked in the comment section, examines what happened to Jesus Christ after he was put on the cross, based on Bible, historical and medical evidence.

The evidence presented indeed establishes the Quranic claim, “Allah made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them refuge on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.” (Al Quran 23:51)

To read a two page review of this documentary in Muslim Sunrise go to:

http://www.muslimsunrise.com/dmddocuments/2010_summer.pdf#page=23

Fig. 1: This picture is a reconstruction of Empty tomb in a State park in Texas.

You can watch several documentaries by reputable sources, on this theme, linked in the comments and for a book Jesus in India by the Messiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, go to Alislam.org.


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  1. ziahshah

    Watch a BBC Documentary on Jesus in Kashmir

    • Teresa

      When I was a young girl and attending parochial school, I had thoughts about this that stayed in my mind. I believed that Jesus had not died on the cross but had gone into a coma and a few days later when his followers heard sounds coming from the tomb they discovered that he was still alive and then hid him. To see this and read about this now so many years later is amazing to me that there were so many other people who have thoughts similar to mine.

  2. ziahshah

    Govt of India Documentry on Jesus in Kashmir!

  3. ziahshah

    Jesus in India – Beyond Belief Documentary

  4. ziahshah

    If Jesus did not die upon the cross: A study in evidence

    This is a small but a very important booklet with a very descriptive title, written by an Australian Judge, Ernest Brougham Docker, in 1920. He became a judge of the District Court and chairman of Quarter Sessions for the north-western district in 1881. He retired in 1918 after the passage of the Judges Retirement Act.
    He examines the limitations in the so called testimony of the apostles about resurrection in his book. He makes several strong points against resurrection of Jesus, may peace be on him, but one that can be described in a few lines is quoted here:

    “He (Jesus) expressed his forebodings to His disciples, I firmly believe; I am equally convinced that He did not predict His rising again. The Conduct of the disciples after crucifixion shows that they had no expectation of a resurrection; and it is altogether incredible that they could have forgotten a prediction so remarkable.”

    There are 14 parts of this short booklet by Ernest Brougham Docker, published in 1920. The fifth part concludes with this paragraph:

    “Dr. Sparrow Simpson also goes too far when he says (p. 47): ‘Believing as we do that all the evidence concurs in declaring that the grave was vacant, the interpretation of the fact must be ultimately one of two things: either this was a human work, or else it was the work of God. Either human hands removed the corpse or the Almighty raised the dead. That is exactly the question.’ I venture to submit that that is not exactly the question. What if the supposed corpse was not really dead, and revived? I confidently submit that this interpretation of the fact of the vacant grave is ample and satisfactory. It postulates neither fraud nor miracle.”

    Read the booklet online in the Muslim Times.

  5. Munawar Ahmad Bajwa

    Dear Brother Shah Sb,
    AOA
    It is good to know about the historical evidence facts about the graveyard of the Messiah son of Marriyam in Srinagar Khanyaar street Kashmir India . Thank you very much by writing and informing mankind. May Almighty Allah bless you a peaceful, happy, healthy and wealthy long life to serve mankind in an even better and skilful way.

    k/r

    Munawar A. Bajwa
    Germany

  6. ziahshah

    Book Review: ‘Jesus Died in Kashmir: Jesus, Moses and the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel’ by Andreas Faber-Kaiser

    Reviewed by Amtul Mussawir Mansoor

    A. Faber Kaiser, a philosopher and a scholar of comparative religions, heard of the ‘Kashmir Hypothesis’ and became interested when he discovered that there was a tomb in Kashmir that belonged to Jesus. He himself decided to go to Kashmir and investigate the hypothesis more thoroughly. In his book, he examines the evidence and presents historical and physical proofs, that Jesus Christ, in fact, survived the crucifixion, and travelled East, to find the “Children of Israel,” in order to complete his mission. The purpose of this book was to inform a large sector of the public about the possibility that Jesus did not die on the cross and did not ascend physically to heaven. This possibility is not widely known.

    The accepted Christian dogma regarding Jesus is that he was crucified at noon on a Friday, and then on the same day before sunset, the body was taken down from the cross and his body was given to Joseph of Arimathaea and was laid to rest in his sepulcher. A large stone blocked the entrance of the tomb and on Sunday, the body was gone from the tomb. In this way, the Biblical prophecy was fulfilled and Jesus had risen from the dead. After visiting his disciples, he ascended to heaven to sit on the right hand of God. The author incidentally points out regarding this Biblical description that “there is no historical evidence that Jesus did die on the cross, and there is no record that anyone witnessed the resurrection.” He further says, “but there is considerable evidence that a man with the same ideas and philosophy as Jesus set out eastwards at precisely this time, leaving behind him a trail of proof of his life and acts. This man made his way to Kashmir, where he remained until death.” In addition, the author points out that “there is evidence that Jesus visited Kashmir during his youth, of which the Bible says virtually nothing more than that he visited Jerusalem when he was twelve.”

    Tomb in Srinagar

    Tomb of Jesus in Srinagar

    The four canonical gospels mention the events regarding the birth of Jesus but then jump ahead to when he was 30 years of age when he was baptized by John and began his ministry, except for a brief mention when he was at the tender age of 12 year old.

    Andreas Faber-Kaiser has assembled an arresting body of evidence to throw new light on these questions. This evidence supports a completely new concept of Jesus. For Example, among a group of people living in Kashmir today calling themselves ‘Children of Israel,’ the author has found a living descendent of Jesus with a complete family tree tracing his descent over 2000 years.

    Calmly and persuasively, this book examines revolutionary new findings and theories to reveal how Christ survived the ordeal of crucifixion, went East to find the ‘Children of Israel’ – and completed his mission on Earth.

    To read Andreas Faber-Kaiser’s book click here.

    To read the full review click here.

  7. ziahshah

    The First International Conference on the Deliverance of Jesus Christ from the Cross

    Presenting from the blog of Bashir Ahmad Rafiq, formerly the Imam of the London Mosque:

    Held at the Commonwealth Institute Kensington High Street, Kensington, London On June 2nd through 4th, 1978 The First International Conference on the Deliverance of Jesus Christ from the Cross attracted more than 1,500 researchers from all over the world. This Conference was organized by The Ahmadiyya Muslim Mission, UK and was attended by Ahmadis, Christians, Buddhists and members of other faiths. The conference was addressed by the Head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, Hadhrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad, Khalifatul Masih III (Huzoor).

    Read further:

    http://islam4jesus.org/article/the-first-international-conference-on-1qhnnhcumbuyp-395/

  8. kim

    This is a topic that is addressed in the christian course ‘Alpha’ which is a 6-10 week course run by christian churches world wide, which offers christians and non christians a chance to ask and discuss these sorts of questions. The objective not being to convince people one way or another but for people to consider and discuss all the known evidence, and come to their own conclusions.
    I attended an alpha course, and as I am a pretty logical scientific sort of person (I have studied medical sciences at university level and work in a technical IT field where my very ‘black and white’ logical type personality does well
    Anyway, when I attended the alpha course, the question of whether christ actually died or was just in a coma, was one that I was particularly concerned about. I had heard of the theories that christ was not dead but in a coma/unconscious etc. And I also knew from my university education, that it might have been possible for jesus to appear to be dead for all intents and purposes, but actually still be alive. And I knew that at that time, they did not have technology which would be able to tell them to a reliability of close to “100%” whether or not jesus christ was actually dead.
    I personally dont feel that I am the sort of person who can just ‘convince myself to believe in something which isnt real’ I have seen that many people will do that – blindly and somtimes it seems intentionally, ignoring all scientific evidence which contradicts their ‘belief’.
    So I knew that I couldnt ‘just accept’ a theory of christ dying on the cross, and at the same time, exclude (from my own personal consideration) any possibility that he may have been alive when he was taken off the cross – I am not the sort of person who would just accept that because someone told me that was the truth of it. I am the sort of person who wants to see the evidence. I also believe that if a theory someone might be telling me is based on fact – IS actually based on fact, that there should be no problem with my researching it further. As surely event which is true, the evidence will prove it so (or at the least will be unable to disprove it). If this debated ‘fact’ is in addition, one which is core to the entire belief system of a faith, then surely if that faith is real, then the god behind it will make sure that it is proven, right?

    So with this in mind I did some ad-hoc research on the topic of christs death, and of the disappearance from the grave

    I would say that I feel many of the theories around this event seem to ignore the customs, laws and other behaviour of the time which must have effected any event occurring.

    So with these in mind my questions were thus:

    1: Christ seemed to die at around 3pm on the cross. Near that time it is recorded that a roman soldier was asked to confirm that he was actually dead
    2: The body of christ disappeared 40 or so hours after this, from a cave which had a large stone in front of it and was guarded

    So the theories are:

    on 1:
    Either christ was dead or he wasnt.

    The roman soldiers at that point in history were apparently one of the most barbaric civilisations recorded in history (I dont provide any evidence of this as it is a fact that anyone can easily verify for themselves)
    These same soldiers were very familiar with torture, crucifixion, and killing, When the soldier was asked to confirm that jesus was dead he was being asked as an expert on this. It would have been expected that his training and experience were more than sufficient to allow him to firstly – strike with his sword at a region where he would be able to confirm for sure death had occured by the fluids that resulted
    and secondly his skill and experience would have made it unlikely that he would have struck with the blade where the bladder was. It is most likely (this is also from easily available historical evidence of the nature, skill and culture of the romans) that he would have struck at the area of the body which would have allowed him to make a very accurate judgement as to whether or not christ had expired – based on the resulting fluids
    In addition to this, if Christ was still alive, he would have been either:
    still conscious – in which case he would have had to have had a massive amount of willpower to withstand being sliced open in the way that is implied – ie to have a huge deep cut into his abdomen area, which also perforated his b ladder
    Or he would have had to have been unconscious or comatose. Either of these options would imply he was not in good shape
    This leads me to the next consideration:

    did christ escape from the tomb on easter sunday?
    If he did then – for him to have been in the tomb as per the above discussion, he would have probably have been comatose or unconscious.
    He had lost a lot of blood when being flogged – then he was crucified – and not offered any liquid (except wine which he refused i think). then he was cut open and lost a significant amount of (recorded) blood and water
    A normal healthy person can live apparently tops of 3 days without water (3 weeks without food). Less in a hot climate.
    Jesus was clearly not in normal health when he would have been put in the tomb. He had already lost a lot of blood and fluid. Then he would have been in there for another 2 days with no water. It would be statistically amazing if he survived this at all
    But for him to have escaped means he not only survived it, but after 3 days (Friday, sat sun) of no water – which is enough to kill a normal person, he was additionally dehydrated
    how could he have rolled back this massive stone in that state?

    The other theory is that his disciples fought off the guards and stole him away
    My problem with that theory is this:
    1: the disciples really truly believe that jesus was god in human form – god the son. They were told by jesus that he would die and come back to life
    for them to steal him away would mean they felt that he was not going to come back to life on his own energy and therefore he was not who he claimed to be
    given the disciples had given up everything to follow jesus BECAUSE they believed him to be god, and the messiah – they have just given up pretty much everything in their lives to follow this guy cios they think he is the messiah
    For the theory that they stole him from the tomb to make sense they would have had to believe he was not going to rise from the dead – and therefore they would have had to have suddenly had all the reasons they followed christ for, proven untrue
    WHY would they go steal him out from the tomb, to try and prove he had been resurrected – right after they had just found out that everything he claimed to stand for was untrue?

    Additionally – while it proves nothing either way _ I find it funny that his clothing was left folded. Who steals a body and folds the burial clothing…(and then takes the naked body away….eeuu lol)

    In addition there are things like jesus predicting his death and resurection (he would have to be pretty strong or have ‘friends’ on the inside to just know that he would be able to withstand crucifixion then rise 3 days later

    500 or so people saw his ascention to heaven – the only theory on that i have read is that they were all hallucinating (and having the same hallucination….?)

    I have included some links with further info on this. The last one is from what I can see a non religious site with historical info on the roman culture and crucifixion. From that I cant understand where the claims that crucifixion does not use a cross may come from. This site also states that death was known to occur from scourging prior to crucifixion, and finally states death could take anyting from hours to days to occur – nothing I can see in those statements does not support the biblical telling of Jesus christs death on the cross

    In closing, for anyone who is really wanting to get to a final conclusive answer to these questions, and who maybe is tired of finding that the only evidence online is almost always either christian or islamic – and therefore never unbiased. I can only recommend that you pray to the god who created you, and who created Jesus christ, and ask him to reveal to you the truth of this matter.

    http://cbcg.org/scourging_crucifixion.htm

    http://www.fpcjackson.org/resources/sermons/Apostles'%20Creed/06a.htm

    http://www.ldolphin.org/kwells9.html

    http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=145

    how long can a person last without water variuos educated theory
    http://ask.metafilter.com/41162/How-long-can-humans-last-without-water

    http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-life/roman-crucifixion.htm

    This is a topic that is addressed in the christian course ‘Alpha’ which is a 6-10 week course run by christian churches world wide, which offers christians and non christians a chance to ask and discuss these sorts of questions. The objective not being to convince people one way or another but for people to consider and discuss all the known evidence, and come to their own conclusions.
    I attended an alpha course, and as I am a pretty logical scientific sort of person (I have studied medical sciences at university level and work in a technical IT field where my very ‘black and white’ logical type personality does well
    Anyway, when I attended the alpha course, the question of whether christ actually died or was just in a coma, was one that I was particularly concerned about. I had heard of the theories that christ was not dead but in a coma/unconscious etc. And I also knew from my university education, that it might have been possible for jesus to appear to be dead for all intents and purposes, but actually still be alive. And I knew that at that time, they did not have technology which would be able to tell them to a reliability of close to “100%” whether or not jesus christ was actually dead.
    I personally dont feel that I am the sort of person who can just ‘convince myself to believe in something which isnt real’ I have seen that many people will do that – blindly and somtimes it seems intentionally, ignoring all scientific evidence which contradicts their ‘belief’.
    So I knew that I couldnt ‘just accept’ a theory of christ dying on the cross, and at the same time, exclude (from my own personal consideration) any possibility that he may have been alive when he was taken off the cross – I am not the sort of person who would just accept that because someone told me that was the truth of it. I am the sort of person who wants to see the evidence. I also believe that if a theory someone might be telling me is based on fact – IS actually based on fact, that there should be no problem with my researching it further. As surely event which is true, the evidence will prove it so (or at the least will be unable to disprove it). If this debated ‘fact’ is in addition, one which is core to the entire belief system of a faith, then surely if that faith is real, then the god behind it will make sure that it is proven, right?

    So with this in mind I did some ad-hoc research on the topic of christs death, and of the disappearance from the grave

    I would say that I feel many of the theories around this event seem to ignore the customs, laws and other behaviour of the time which must have effected any event occurring.

    So with these in mind my questions were thus:

    1: Christ seemed to die at around 3pm on the cross. Near that time it is recorded that a roman soldier was asked to confirm that he was actually dead
    2: The body of christ disappeared 40 or so hours after this, from a cave which had a large stone in front of it and was guarded

    So the theories are:

    on 1:
    Either christ was dead or he wasnt.

    The roman soldiers at that point in history were apparently one of the most barbaric civilisations recorded in history (I dont provide any evidence of this as it is a fact that anyone can easily verify for themselves)
    These same soldiers were very familiar with torture, crucifixion, and killing, When the soldier was asked to confirm that jesus was dead he was being asked as an expert on this. It would have been expected that his training and experience were more than sufficient to allow him to firstly – strike with his sword at a region where he would be able to confirm for sure death had occured by the fluids that resulted
    and secondly his skill and experience would have made it unlikely that he would have struck with the blade where the bladder was. It is most likely (this is also from easily available historical evidence of the nature, skill and culture of the romans) that he would have struck at the area of the body which would have allowed him to make a very accurate judgement as to whether or not christ had expired – based on the resulting fluids
    In addition to this, if Christ was still alive, he would have been either:
    still conscious – in which case he would have had to have had a massive amount of willpower to withstand being sliced open in the way that is implied – ie to have a huge deep cut into his abdomen area, which also perforated his b ladder
    Or he would have had to have been unconscious or comatose. Either of these options would imply he was not in good shape
    This leads me to the next consideration:

    did christ escape from the tomb on easter sunday?
    If he did then – for him to have been in the tomb as per the above discussion, he would have probably have been comatose or unconscious.
    He had lost a lot of blood when being flogged – then he was crucified – and not offered any liquid (except wine which he refused i think). then he was cut open and lost a significant amount of (recorded) blood and water
    A normal healthy person can live apparently tops of 3 days without water (3 weeks without food). Less in a hot climate.
    Jesus was clearly not in normal health when he would have been put in the tomb. He had already lost a lot of blood and fluid. Then he would have been in there for another 2 days with no water. It would be statistically amazing if he survived this at all
    But for him to have escaped means he not only survived it, but after 3 days (Friday, sat sun) of no water – which is enough to kill a normal person, he was additionally dehydrated
    how could he have rolled back this massive stone in that state?

    The other theory is that his disciples fought off the guards and stole him away
    My problem with that theory is this:
    1: the disciples really truly believe that jesus was god in human form – god the son. They were told by jesus that he would die and come back to life
    for them to steal him away would mean they felt that he was not going to come back to life on his own energy and therefore he was not who he claimed to be
    given the disciples had given up everything to follow jesus BECAUSE they believed him to be god, and the messiah – they have just given up pretty much everything in their lives to follow this guy cios they think he is the messiah
    For the theory that they stole him from the tomb to make sense they would have had to believe he was not going to rise from the dead – and therefore they would have had to have suddenly had all the reasons they followed christ for, proven untrue
    WHY would they go steal him out from the tomb, to try and prove he had been resurrected – right after they had just found out that everything he claimed to stand for was untrue?

    Additionally – while it proves nothing either way _ I find it funny that his clothing was left folded. Who steals a body and folds the burial clothing…(and then takes the naked body away….eeuu lol)

    In addition there are things like jesus predicting his death and resurection (he would have to be pretty strong or have ‘friends’ on the inside to just know that he would be able to withstand crucifixion then rise 3 days later

    500 or so people saw his ascention to heaven – the only theory on that i have read is that they were all hallucinating (and having the same hallucination….?)

    I have included some links with further info on this. The last one is from what I can see a non religious site with historical info on the roman culture and crucifixion. From that I cant understand where the claims that crucifixion does not use a cross may come from. This site also states that death was known to occur from scourging prior to crucifixion, and finally states death could take anyting from hours to days to occur – nothing I can see in those statements does not support the biblical telling of Jesus christs death on the cross

    In closing, for anyone who is really wanting to get to a final conclusive answer to these questions, and who maybe is tired of finding that the only evidence online is almost always either christian or islamic – and therefore never unbiased. I can only recommend that you pray to the god who created you, and who created Jesus christ, and ask him to reveal to you the truth of this matter.

    http://cbcg.org/scourging_crucifixion.htm

    http://www.fpcjackson.org/resources/sermons/Apostles'%20Creed/06a.htm

    http://www.ldolphin.org/kwells9.html

    http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=145

    how long can a person last without water variuos educated theory
    http://ask.metafilter.com/41162/How-long-can-humans-last-without-water

    http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-life/roman-crucifixion.htm

  9. ziahshah

    Many Christian seem to believe that 500 people saw ascension of Jesus. The writer of Gospel of Mark and others, mention petty details, but, make no mention of it.

    Is it possible that it was a fabrication and not a reality? It always amazes me that in this day of reason and information, the Christian apologists still choose to construct a religion based on stories from 2000 years ago.

    Please watch the documentaries above again. Peace.

  10. THE WORD

    JESUS DIED AND RESURRESTED IN THE THIRD DAY..1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

  11. Bill

    The best book in The whole world is The holly quran .it is mentioned in quran.learn and understand .don’t believe in manmade theories .just think.

  12. Ibrahim saidi

    when I read the three chapters of luke, Matthew and john they have different explanations about stranger they found at gravelyad luke say when mary and mary magdalena went to vist gravel of Jesus they mate two men wearing lightening clothes (luke 24 v 1 and up) while Matthew 28v1-10 says mary and mary magadalana when they there they found an Engel of god rolled away a stone and sat ontop of it while mark 16 v 1 -8 say when mary and mary Magdalena went to the gravel early they found a stone moved away and inside the tomb were a small man dressed in white robe sitting right side so if all these guys are opposing each other for on story which one should we believe so if someone has a right suggests plz let me know the truth

  13. ak abew

    when was quran written? Before quran was written bible had already been given. how do you then dispute that which had been written more than 500 years before mohamed was born
    do you know that mohammed,s conversion was inspired by what he learnt from the bible when he was caravan boy?

  14. dave

    If Jesus is NOT the Messiah for all, then we still need to contend with this commandment below written in the Holy Bible. If the the god mentioned in this book is Allah, and the writer is a Muslim, then we must respect ALL that is written in the Holy Bible: from Genesis to Revelation. Otherwise, the entire book of the Holy Bible is false; which would concede that any mention of biblical facts in the Holy Quran would be lies as well. And if the writers of the Holy Quran are spreading lies, and the Prophets of the Holy Bible are spreading lies, then what book can we trust, and what god is the real one…??? Satan is the Father of lies! The Destroyer!

    Whether you profess to be Muslim, Christian or Jew, we all know in our hearts that there is only
    ONE TRUE PATH TO GOD. As God’s people and creation, we need to REASON with Him, sit in silence with Him, and trust that HE (not mortal man) by His Spirit and Wisdom, will lead us into eternity.

    May the Peace of God, and the Wisdom of God, Be with you ALL!

    Exodus 20:1-7

    “I am the LORD your GOD who liberated you from your slavery in Egypt.

    “You may worship NO other god than ME.

    “You shall not make yourselves any idols: no images of animals, birds, or fish. You must never bow or worship it in any way; for I, the Lord your God, am very possessive. I will not share your affection with any other god!

    “And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those who hate me; BUT, I lavish my love upon thousands of those who LOVE me and OBEY my commandments.

    “You shall not use the name of THE LORD your God in vain, nor use it to swear to a falsehood. You will NOT ESCAPE punishment if you do.

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